GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?
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2 months ago

Hello everyone,

 

Yes I know Quadro cards are the "officially supported" cards for SolidWorks and Visualize, and I have a P5000 in my #1 workstation. I want to upgrade another workstation and just thought I would ask for some opinions between the 1080 ti and P4000. The specs on the 1080 ti blow the P4000 out of the water on paper, and they can be gotten for about the same price.

 

Your thoughts and opinions on this would be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Mark


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Last comment By: Mark Jackson   Mon, 23 Apr 2018 14:17:15 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

If you're using the machine with the GTX card for CAD I would say no.

 

This is the age old problem.  Gaming cards offer more performance than the CAD card but can cause issues with CAD software.  The CAD card costs more, but is more rock solid for CAD usage.

 

Wouldn't it be great if Nvidia could give us a card that worked for both CAD and gaming at the gaming card price.  Us CAD people have been getting screwed by this for years.

By: Rob Rodríguez  Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:16:27 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

It is also my understanding the the "P" cards are able to make use of the de-nosier while the gaming cards are not able to. Something to consider if you are planning on upgrading the software.

By: Chris Cunningham  Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:32:12 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

Hi Rob, I will be using it in Visualize Pro and other rendering software like Blender, Keyshot and the like. I'm not a CAD guy. I only go into SolidWorks when absolutely necessary to fix something in a model.

By: Mark Jackson  Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:34:37 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

That could be Matt. I believe it is Pascal architecture is what the de-noiser needs. The 1080 ti has Pascal architecture. Maybe one of the SolidWorks guys can answer that for us.

By: Mark Jackson  Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:37:14 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

Upcoming denoiser is supported in Kepler series cards (with at least 4 GB of Video memory) and up.  So Kepler, Maxwell, and of course latest Pascal and forthcoming Volta are supported.

 

To the original question of a Workstation class card VS a Consumer (gaming) class card... think of it this way...

 

When you buy a workstation class card, you are paying for a lot more pre-release testing before the card even goes out the door, a support life-cycle (driver updates) in the range of ~10 years, actual bug fixes if needed, and continued testing and certification by NVIDIA and SW for years.

 

All of this of course takes a lot of resources...

 

When you buy a consumer class card, as my wife and I sometimes tell our 6 year old: "You get what you get, and don't get upset"

 

Hope that helps

By: Ron Bates  Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:46:10 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

Hi Mark - great to finally meet you in person @SWW. (Same with you, Matt!!)

 

We never receive GeForce cards to benchmark test, but I did just receive a new Titan V. I can confidently say the new AI Denoiser will for sure work with that card, and likely any Pascal-based GeForce card. I have not tested any other GeForce card, so I cannot say which of generation of GeForce cards the new Denoiser will work with. If it follows the same compatability as the Quadro cards, then Kepler-based and Maxwell-based GeForce cards should also work with the Denoiser. You just have to have a minimum of 4GB ram on the GPU for the Denoiser to work.

 

When the AI Denoiser is publicly available (2018 SP3), I would like for the Visualize community to help test the wide range of GeForce cards to comment on compatibility with the Denoiser.

 

At the risk of being redundant, there is a time-bombed special of 30% off Quadro P4000, which is blazing fast with the new AI Denoiser:

 

SAVE 30% off a Quadro P4000!! Visit the NVIDIA online store and use code P4000SWV30 if you’re located in the United States or P4000SWVEU if you’re in Europe, or purchase through PNY at www.PNY.com/SWW2018.

By: Brian Hillner  Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:49:49 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

Hmm, maybe I could be one to test with a 1080 ti. Maybe...

 

By the way Brian, your session at SWW was very informative and insightful. I enjoyed and learned from it.

By: Mark Jackson  Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:02:59 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

Agent 86 says to agent 99, "missed it by that much!" I have two workstations with K4000 cards that only have 3 GB video memory. Bummer. I use them to render static images with Visualize Standard.

 

I was hoping someone in the Visualize community that does run a 1080 ti might chime in and let us know what their experience might be. I know several people who do use them for CAD with SolidWorks and say they work pretty darn good.

By: Mark Jackson  Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:06:59 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

Hello Mark,.. if that is the case/use,.. the cuda monster 1080 is the best/fastest/mostest/bang/buck option. 

By: Paul Salvador  Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:39:08 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

Thanks for the response Dave. I appreciate it very much. I think I'm going to go with the GTX 1080 ti for the workstation I'm upgrading, but I'm going to give Ron the "official" correct answer.

By: Mark Jackson  Tue, 13 Feb 2018 17:06:51 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

Like Dave, I too went with the 1080 ti, largely based on Puget's benchmarking and to some degree what I'd seen mentioned on this forum: the fact that number of CUDA cores count for so much in render speed. It would have been nice to personally compare my render time to a $7,000 card, but figured we'd take our chances with something that cost a tenth as much.

By: Rich Fagioli  Wed, 14 Feb 2018 15:41:00 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

Mark, if you go for it please let us know how it goes.

 

Here's what I expect. If your #1 Workstation is running a P5000 and you put a 1080 TI in your #2 Workstation it won't be long before you are calling your #2 Workstation your #1 Workstation.   

By: Dave Goetsch  Sun, 04 Mar 2018 00:32:54 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

I'll post back when I get the cards. I'm on a number of waiting lists for some cards to come back in stock. I don't have to have them right away, and I don't want to pay north of a grand each for them.

By: Mark Jackson  Mon, 05 Mar 2018 16:17:34 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

Dave Goetsch wrote:

A simple registry hack enables RealView graphics for GeForce GPUs (they are fully capable) in Solidworks that DSS has chosen not to enable by default.

 

Just my 2 cents........

Hi Dave, could you share with us how to enable the RealView via registry hack?

 

Regards

By: Shaodun Lin  Tue, 06 Mar 2018 17:48:51 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

I second that!

By: Chris Shaferr  Thu, 22 Mar 2018 13:57:17 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

I would recommend going straight to the manufacturers, like EVGA for instance, to avoid larger mark-ups like with retailers due to "GPU shortage." I got a 1080Ti Black Edition for ~$50 over MSRP instead of ~$300 over. If you're making a dedicated rendering/SW system, I would also recommend looking into the AMD Ryzen CPUs, like the 1800X or Threadripper. Their price to performance is far superior to Intel and they usually have a much higher multi-thread score on benchmarks, which I think is best for rendering?

Benchmarking Performance: CPU Rendering Tests - The AMD Zen and Ryzen 7 Review: A Deep Dive on 1800X, 1700X and 1700

 

Chris

By: Chris Shaferr  Thu, 22 Mar 2018 14:19:00 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

Well, I've received two notices that cards were back in stock from Nvidia. It took me about an hour one time, and half hour the other time before I could get to a PC to try an buy them. Either Nvidia sent the notices by mistake, or the cards sell out again super fast.

 

Darn bitcoin miners making it miserable for the rest of us! I'm still trying to pick up two 1080 Ti cards for $800 or so each, but I'm not sure that's reality in today's bitcoin miner market. I might have to spend $1200 a piece.

By: Mark Jackson  Thu, 22 Mar 2018 14:36:42 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

I'm actually surprised more of you don't know about this. I've been using this hack for several years with Solidworks and it works perfectly. It's been available online for quite a few years. Be that as it may, here's the info.

 

Google RealHack 3.9 to find and download the registry edit file.

 

Or...

 

You can edit your registry manually. It's easy and there are several videos on YouTube to show you how.

 

Search YouTube for RealView Hack or RealView Enable.

solidworks 2017 realview Enable - YouTube

 

Always fun to spread some Joy.

By: Dave Goetsch  Fri, 23 Mar 2018 18:41:21 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

Just like Dave has mentioned, I too have been using the hack for almost two years now without issue.

 

Dave.

By: Dave Bear  Sat, 24 Mar 2018 02:26:38 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

If you want fast renders in Visualize stick with Nvidia Cards and don't even think about your Ryzen CPU helping in any way. It's CUDA cores that Visualize needs. CPU's are pretty much insignificant.

 

CPU's amount to nearly nothing in Visualize as far as performance goes. It's all about GPU and how many CUDA cores you have and how fast they are running. A quick example. I have a render that I run in Visualize in GPU only mode that takes 5 minutes to run. If I run in Hybrid mode with CPU and GPU activated it takes 4 minutes 58 seconds to render.  This is with dual Xeon X5690's, 12 core 24 threads, running at 3.46GHz.

By: Dave Goetsch  Sat, 24 Mar 2018 02:16:48 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

Okay Mark, I'm a 1080 TI user (x2).  Here's a quick reference to Puget Systems speed tests of some Quadro cards in Visualize.

 

pic_disp.jpg

 

I'm running two 1080 TI's and my time for the above 1969 Camaro render is 77 seconds.

 

Performance is much better than one Quadro GP100 @ $7,500.00 and nearly as good as two Quadro GP100's @ $15,000.00

 

I bought my GeForce GPUs July of 2017 for $750.00 each so total cost $1,500.00 (yes, 1/10 the price!)

 

I understand why many people want to use the officially supported cards but for me, a one man shop, it made no sense (cents?). I am a CADD guy too and I use Solidworks extensively. I've never had any problems running GeForce GPU's in Solidworks or Visualize. A simple registry hack enables RealView graphics for GeForce GPUs (they are fully capable) in Solidworks that DSS has chosen not to enable by default.

 

Just my 2 cents........

By: Dave Goetsch  Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:24:17 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

Hi Guys,

 

Nvidia emailed and said cards were in stock and would go on sale the next day late last week. So the next day I checked the site as often as I could. About 11:00 I checked and, "holy CUDA cores Batman!", the out of stock button was gone and click to buy was there! So I frantically click on 1080 Ti and put 2 in the cart (the max they allow), and clicked continue. The next page crashed. I tried this several times and crash, crash, crash. I tried again and it worked! I put in my credit card and clicked, and... Bam! "Sorry, but the 1080 Ti is out of stock."

 

I looked at the lesser cards and a couple were left in stock. I thought about it but decided no, but... The TITAN Xp was still in stock. Hmm...

 

I thought about it. I need cards. $1200 is the price you can get a 1080 Ti from places that have versions in stock like B & H Photo Video and some other reputable sites. Hmm...

 

Bam! Bought two TITAN Xp cards at the Nvidia regular price of what 1080 Ti cards cost at the other sites (that you can actually get them from right now).

 

So I'm anxiously waiting for 7680 CUDA cores to show up on my door step. They said shipping in 1 to 2 weeks. Each TITAN Xp has 3840 CUDA cores, 12 GDDR5X VRAM, with a memory bandwidth of 547.7 GB/s. Nvidia took my money, so the darn things better show up.

By: Mark Jackson  Mon, 26 Mar 2018 14:39:20 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

"So I'm anxiously waiting for 7680 CUDA cores to show up on my door step."

 

And I'm anxiously waiting for some benchmarks from you.....   

 

By: Dave Goetsch  Tue, 27 Mar 2018 01:22:58 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

Hello Vizies,

 

Well, I received my Titan Xp cards on Saturday and installed one in my workstation. We'll have to wait until I decide on which new motherboard I'm going to purchase before I can install the second and do some benchmarks with two in the machine.

 

So, here's some benchmark results with the single card installed. I copied the settings used by Puget and used the Visualize supplied Camaro file.

 

Both machines are running Windows 10 Pro.

Dell T5810 workstation:

Quadro P5000

Driver version 377.11

Xenon E5-1650 v4 (6 core, 3.6 GHz)

16 GB DDR4 RAM

 

My custom build PC:

Titan Xp

Driver version 391.35

I7-2600K (4 core, 3.4 GHz)

32 GB DDR3 RAM

 

1969 Camaro @ 1920 x 1080, GPU only, 1000 passes

Dell T5810:  244 seconds

Custom PC:  144 seconds

 

The Titan Xp renders in 60% of the time it takes the Quadro P5000. This is consistent with other much more complicated render tests I did over the weekend. It's also 60% of the price of the P5000. So far, I think it's a great value for performance vs. cost when using Visualize. We''l see how it holds up over time.

 

I'll let you guys know how it goes when I get a new motherboard and the second card installed in the machine.

 

-Mark

By: Mark Jackson  Mon, 02 Apr 2018 20:19:01 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

Hi Mark -

 

Thanks for updating this thread with your performance benchmarks of your new Titan Xp. Seems to be smokin'!

 

We rarely receive any GeForce cards for testing. Can you please follow the steps in this site to benchmark with how we at SW benchmark Visualize performance? Make sure you're using Chrome to download the .SVPJ, and read through all the paragraphs at the top of this site to keep your tests consistent. Look forward to your results!

https://www.solidworks.com/sw/support/visualize-hardware-benchmarks.htm

 

Thanks,

Brian

By: Brian Hillner  Mon, 02 Apr 2018 21:08:47 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

Sure Brian, I'd be happy to do that.

 

-Mark

By: Mark Jackson  Mon, 02 Apr 2018 21:25:44 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

Hello Vizies,

 

I completed the benchmark tests with the .svpj SW uses for their benchmarking at their specifications. In my testing, the Titan Xp trumped every card except the GPU 100 and Titan V. The Visualize version I used was 2018 SP 2. Here are the results.

 

Veiwport FPS 960x540 @500 passes: 29.82

 

Veiwport FPS 1920x1080 @500 passes: 7.72

 

Offline Render 1920x1080 @500 passes: 1:08

 

Offline Render 3840x2160 @500 passes: 4:31

 

So far, I'm very, very, extremely, wonderfully, amazingly pleased with the performance of the Titan Xp in Visualize. I've only rendered out static images so far in the short time I've had it. Now on to some animations.

 

The only thing that concerns me is that this is a consumer grade card, although a high end one, but how will it last when I'm running it full bore basically 24/7. Time will tell.

 

-Mark

By: Mark Jackson  Tue, 03 Apr 2018 16:59:05 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

Thanks for posting your benchmark times, Mark. They are quite fast and I'm glad you're so impressed with the speed

 

...but how will it last when I'm running it full bore basically 24/7. Time will tell.

There lies one of the potential drawbacks from consumer GeForce cards vs certified Quadro cards. Do let us know how you get on!

By: Brian Hillner  Tue, 03 Apr 2018 21:22:22 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

..ah yes,.. well, only fair way is running a equal 24/7 side-by-side test.... otherwise.... yeah,.. there lies,.. the on going GeForce/Quadro myth. 

By: Paul Salvador  Tue, 03 Apr 2018 21:34:20 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

I'm looking forward to getting my PC rebuilt with the 2nd Titan Xp card in it. Then, with the Denoiser, I'll hit render and... BAM, it will be done!

 

Well, maybe not quite that fast, but I'm really looking forward to it.

By: Mark Jackson  Tue, 03 Apr 2018 21:35:21 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

It is that fast    End of April for Denoiser in Visualize!!!

By: Brian Hillner  Tue, 03 Apr 2018 21:40:39 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

Mark,

 

I'd like to thank you for being a bad influence. I just bought a pair of Xps based on your post and will be starting a full build to go along with them shortly.

 

I'll probably put my now-legacy P5000 in the box with them, which will basically bring the total performance up to about 2.2 Xps. Heh.

By: Jeffrey Model  Wed, 04 Apr 2018 22:01:03 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

Yeah, my mom and my wife are always on my case for being a bad influence!

By: Mark Jackson  Thu, 05 Apr 2018 14:53:43 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

Mark Jackson I can attest I have been influenced also. I will be ordering one of these bad boys for my personal home computer. It will go nicely with my i9 extreme and m2 drive.

By: Chris Cunningham  Thu, 05 Apr 2018 15:12:12 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

GPU's don't mine bitcoin, they mine Etherium and others.

By: Marcus Dimarco  Thu, 05 Apr 2018 16:00:06 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

I wish GPU's mined Melange.

By: Chris Cunningham  Thu, 05 Apr 2018 16:02:27 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

I'm pretty sure crypto miners wouldn't be using them if they weren't up for 24/7 100% use...

By: Marcus Dimarco  Thu, 05 Apr 2018 16:06:29 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

I really have no idea what you guys are talking about. I don't know squat about bitcoin or any other virtual currency. My son-in-law told me that bitcoin miners use Nvidia GPUs for processing power. I figured he knew what he was talking about since he is building a mining rig. What the heck is Melange?

By: Mark Jackson  Thu, 05 Apr 2018 16:29:07 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

Lol, it's the coveted "Spice" found on planet Dune. I was just throwing out a nerd mining reference.

By: Chris Cunningham  Thu, 05 Apr 2018 16:30:54 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

Ha! I should have gotten the reference since I loved Frank Herbert's Dune series!

By: Mark Jackson  Thu, 05 Apr 2018 16:34:58 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

I´m just upgraded from GTX 680 (Kepler 4GB) to 1080Ti and did a little comparison.

Project Render: 5000px/500passes/GPU only:  23min vs. 6.30min

Viewport render of a complex Set with emissives,reflection,caustic,glas (accurate mode):  0.57 fps vs. 2.8 fps

By: Peter Hildebrandt  Mon, 16 Apr 2018 18:02:51 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

I can only chime in with my own experience with GeForce GPU's. I've been running my dual 1080 TI's for close to a year now. My workflow is to stack renders in the queue all day long and then when I leave the office at night I start the queue. The cards go straight to 100% utilization and humm all night long. Haven't had one fail. Prior to my GeForce1080 TI's I ran dual GeForce GTX 680's 4GB for about four years. Same scenario, I beat those cards hard and never had a failure, nor have I ever heard of one failing due to such heavy usage.

 

One nice side note. If you live in a cold area, your office will be very toasty when you come in in the morning.....  

 

Looking forward to more benchmarks and usage experience from Mark and others!

By: Dave Goetsch  Fri, 06 Apr 2018 00:02:49 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

I finally got all of the parts in yesterday. There was a Tasmanian Devil-like whirlwind of motion in my workshop while the machine got built.

 

The machine is an i7-7820X with a pair of Titan Xps in it (to be supplemented by my now-obsoleted P5000 later on). I ran 1000 passes on the Camaro just now @ 1920x1080/Accurate/GPU-only. It took a mere 71 seconds. Outstanding!

 

The numbers to match the guidelines that Brian Hillner posted (with the bunkspeed sign linked from that page):

Viewport 960x540@500 passes: 56.1

Viewport 1920x1080@500 passes: 15.2

Offline 1920x1080@500 passes: 0:35

Offline 3840x2160@500 passes: 2:13

 

This is ludicrous speed compared to the previous arrangement of just a single P5000 in an external chassis. There was no thermal throttling during these quick tests, but I do see it in renders over 5min or so unless I manually turn the GPU fans up high. This should get resolved a few months from now when I add water cooling to the GPUs.

 

Mark, thank you for being such a great bad influence!

 

(the tests were run using Visualize 2018 SP02)

By: Jeffrey Model  Sat, 21 Apr 2018 23:29:57 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

That's a great improvement in render speeds!  I was also using GTX 680 4GB cards (2) before upgrading to (2) 1080 TI's. I'm VERY happy with my render times and I can't wait until Visualize 2018 SP3 for the AI Denoiser feature. Life will be Bliss.....    =)  ( About 1 Week Out ! )

By: Dave Goetsch  Tue, 17 Apr 2018 01:01:06 GMT
Re: GTX 1080 ti or Quadro P4000?

Oh man those are great numbers. I'm still collecting the parts to build a new rendering workstation and get my 2nd Titan Xp in the mix. I'm jealous Jeffrey.

 

So, since I seem to be such a bad influence, does that mean I'm on Santa's naughty list and will only get a lump of coal for Christmas?!

By: Mark Jackson  Mon, 23 Apr 2018 14:17:15 GMT
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