Titan Computer... any opinions?
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My philosophy has been buy the best computer with room for upgrades and keep it for a long time.  I currently run a Dell T5400 with Dual Xeon Quad cores at 2.5 Ghz that is now 10 years old and showing it's age.  I do quite a bit with Solidworks, but also many other apps at the same time (ERP system, SQL DB work, MS Office, etc).


Looking for the next great thing.  I've been looking at Boxx, Xi, and recently found Titan Workstation.  Titan seems to have the highest performance with costs 10-15% lower than the others.  I'm not considering Dell, HP, etc, because they really aren't pushing the boundaries like the other guys.  I've read reviews on this forum and people seem to really like Boxx.  Anyone have experience with Titan?  I'm going nuts over the x299 Vulcan 10!


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Last comment By: Jody Smith   Wed, 28 Mar 2018 18:29:21 GMT
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Great philosophy for sure.  The new Intel processors are definitely screamers.  Upgrade to a Quadro card and you have a nice SW machine.  If you want it be really fast ditch that SATA SSD and go for the Samsung Pro M.2 SSD (the motherboard can support 2 of them if you are greedy like me and want to run your models on a SSD, its been shown to give an additional 12% increase in performance.)  Those drives have crazy good benchmarks.  They are literally 6 times the speed of that SATA drive.  The CPU will definitely keep up with multitasking.  There is a lot of room for expansion in that thing too. 

By: Ronnie Hiles  Sat, 16 Sep 2017 04:11:06 GMT
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Check out Puget Systems. They do their homework on hardware an specific apps and have experience with SOLIDWORKS, https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Is-CPU-Overclocking-in-Solidworks-2017-worth-it-i7-7700K-885/

By: Alex Taguchi  Wed, 20 Sep 2017 22:53:07 GMT
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Ronnie Hiles wrote:


...if you are greedy like me and want to run your models on a SSD, its been shown to give an additional 12% increase in performance.)

It's not greedy, it's the smart thing to do.  TIME = MONEY.  I totally agree with getting an M.2 PCIe mounted SSD like BOXX is offering as an option.  I've found that the single largest performance enhancer is FAST storage.  I've upgraded old laggard computers that had conventional 7200 RPM HDs in them to SSDs and seen them perform more like a "new" machine.


Of course, clock speed is still king in the SolidWorks world.  I'd get it as fast as I can.  Four cores is all that is necessary for a CAD workstation.  If you're also running server software (ERP, SQL database on it, etc.) then maybe more cores would help, but it would be better to run them on another machine instead of your CAD workstation.

By: Tom Helsley  Mon, 25 Sep 2017 17:39:05 GMT
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Good question!  I bought a high-end workstation from Titan 5 days ago.  A couple of days later, I called them, because I hadn't yet received an email confirmation.  No one answered, so I left a voicemail, requesting confirmation.  Still haven't heard anything, but now I do see that the charge went though. There wasn't as much pre-sale support as I expected, either.  They made a couple of recommendations, but without any explanation.  I'll update in a few weeks on the machine and support.


Incidentally, when the i9 processors were first released, I ordered a gaming machine from Cyberpower PC and UPS "lost" it.  The claim was approved, so I asked Cyberpower to just send a replacement.  Months went by and finally, I had to get my credit card company to reverse the charge.  So, be careful trying to save money on a souped-up machine. 


I also considered the Vulcan.  Both Titan and Puget steered me away from overclocking and liquid cooling.  The Puget rep said they don't bother, because they don't believe there's enough headroom on the newer processors to make it worthwhile and they like the Noctua fans.  In fact, they said the Noctua fans are quieter than LC.


Hope this helps someone!



By: Donna Waters  Sun, 04 Feb 2018 03:36:43 GMT
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If you are looking for the next great thing you have to wait for a while. HP has invented a new computer which is 8000 time faster than the existing computer.



By: Maha Nadarasa  Sun, 04 Feb 2018 09:55:10 GMT
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My opinion: Don't waste money for nothing, replace CPUs to more fast if it is still possible for this motherboard, if you have enougth memory and disk space, SSD doesn't make you more fast, SSD give you only fast system start and loading of model, not more.

You have good chances to upgrade your computer https://www.delidded.com/list-of-intel-lga-771-xeon-processors/

By: Igor Fomenko  Sun, 04 Feb 2018 06:05:45 GMT
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Also, from the Titan website, "Our Vulcan 10 runs this 10-core monster at 4.7Ghz all day, every day."  I thought it was possible to dynamically overclock, so it speeds up only when you need it, but this sounds static to me.  Titan didn't reply to my question about this.  I imagine wasted power, reduced lifetime, and constant cooling noise.  Hopefully, we'll hear from someone who has one of these machines.

By: Donna Waters  Mon, 05 Feb 2018 05:47:05 GMT
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Interesting.  Yea, these paradigm changers can take a looong time to get to the consumer.  Optical computing was big in the mid 90's.  Still waiting for that.  The i9s and threadrippers are so much faster than the offerings from 5 years ago.  I do raytracing, so it was totally worth it to replace my 2013 workstation.



By: Donna Waters  Sun, 04 Feb 2018 18:17:08 GMT
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What you're referring to is Intel's built-in overclocking capabilities like Turbo Boost 2 and Turbo Boost 3. Those will dynamically overclock per core when the thermal conditions allow it. However, if the CPU is manually overclocked already then it is my understanding that TurboBoost 2/3 become disabled to lock all cores to that specific frequency.


The two other factors that would allow your CPU to vary it's frequency are Intel's SpeedStep which can be enabled/disabled in the motherboard BIOS if available. This undervolts and underclocks the cores to preserve power. The same can be done within Windows Power Options if you set the minimum CPU power consumption to below 100% then Windows can even manage the same underclocking to an extent.

By: Alex Taguchi  Tue, 06 Feb 2018 23:04:00 GMT
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That makes sense!  Thanks for mentioning that the Windows power plan affects processor speed.  I had no idea.  Mine's set on "balanced".  While I think dynamic control of the processor makes sense, it's worth trying the performance setting to verify that the balanced mode is working as well as it should.  I'll try that next time my workstation seems maxed out.



By: Donna Waters  Tue, 06 Feb 2018 23:32:44 GMT
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SSD is all around faster. System start is a small benefit.  It is the second most critical thing in a cad workstation in my opinion, a close second to clock speed due to regenration. Make sure if you do get an m.2 SSD. That it's a PCI-E Version. The m.2 drives make everything faster. There is nearly no system.io wait time. And solidworks is huge in system.io useage

By: Jacob Corder  Wed, 07 Feb 2018 02:10:18 GMT
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This must be the new NVRam. Hard drives installed in Memory slots.  I cant wait.

By: Jacob Corder  Wed, 07 Feb 2018 02:11:44 GMT
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I just use Asus AI Suite. I'm running 6 cores at 4.9ghz. liquid cooling is necessary. I have done this to 6 computers at work and had 0 failures. Well besides the themaltake cooler that clogged itself. That was nice... Junk.  Smh.

By: Jacob Corder  Wed, 07 Feb 2018 02:15:02 GMT
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I just received my Titan x299 today and I'm pretty disappointed with the noise level in idle.  It's not overclocked and I even set the chassis fans to "silent", but they are still too loud for an office, IMO.  This is with the standard Cougar Panzer Pro chassis fans and ASRock motherboard fan control. 


When I asked about noise level up front, the Titan rep said "I know for a fact the cougar chassis is one of the quietest we offer and the motherboard offers different fan levels for your case fans.  Never heard a complaint on noise level for any of our systems." 


There's a first time for everything, I guess.  Too bad there's no way to gauge this for yourself before committing.

By: Donna Waters  Thu, 22 Feb 2018 02:43:13 GMT
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That sucks about the noise. I was looking at them, but ultimately went with a refurbished Dell 7910 server tower to save some dough.  Mine has the dual Xeon ES 2660 series chips with 12 cores each,  Quadro M4000 GPU, 512GB RAM and a 1TB SSB hard drive. Mine is whisper quite until I run a COMSOL Simulation on it and then it sounds like a drone hovering in my cubicle until it is done. But solidworks doesn't make those fans kick on, whatever those fans are. I don't know about how the power management is setup as IT controls all of that, but I've been very happy with mine. My system was like ~$11k on the Titan customizer, but we got the Dell refurb for ~$8k.

By: Jody Smith  Thu, 22 Feb 2018 13:17:57 GMT
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I also have a Dell workstation and it's pretty silent, except under load. 


It turns out the problem with the Titan is that 2 of the 3 chassis fans are not responding to the MB temperature.  They're just running full blast all the time.  And this is one of their stock configurations. 


"They are supposed to run all the time while the computer is on.  The feature to turn them off disappeared a while back mainly because it would often cause overheating.".   - Same rep that sold me on the MB temp. fan control feature a few weeks ago, smh.  In any case, it should be fixable.


Next time, I'll buy the parts and configure it myself. 



By: Donna Waters  Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:12:36 GMT
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this is why i only buy high end asus motherboards.  always X series and have WS  in the model.


my current build is a X299-WS Sage.  the ai suite is great for handling all the complex stuff for you. 

always liquid cool.



for the price your spending. i would have gone with a BOXX.  i have never owned one but i hear they are quite amazing

By: Jacob Corder  Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:28:56 GMT
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I looked at them also. That one with the same specs was $14k

By: Jody Smith  Thu, 22 Feb 2018 17:23:14 GMT
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512GB ram, must be a beast

By: Ned Hutchinson  Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:05:58 GMT
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Jody Smith what type of system could possibly access that much RAM? Weather Modeling Super Computers?

By: Jacob Corder  Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:16:28 GMT
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Seems the key thing is to install 4-pin fans if the MB has 4 pins (4th pin = fan speed control), unless the MB offers a workaround.


Titan is sending me some new Noctua fans, so I'll stop complaining. 

By: Donna Waters  Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:44:51 GMT
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Acoustic output simulation supercomputers!!!

By: Jody Smith  Wed, 28 Mar 2018 18:29:21 GMT
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