Is it possible to change the default setting of the "slot" Hole Wizard function to center to center instead of the current tangent to tangent setting?

For example, if I want a 1/4" loose clearance hole slot that is 1" long center to center I can input a length of "1 - 9/32" but it would be much more convenient if there was a center to center length setting!

 

Also, the Hole Wizard callout function when detailing a drawing gives tangent to tangent length - is this possible to change to center to center as well? The CNC guys really hate seeing max length, and I really hate dimensioning slots when it could easily be called out.


Categories: Modeling and Assemblies, Parts and Features

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Last comment By: Gordon Rigg   Tue, 24 Jul 2018 07:11:54 GMT
Re: Hole Wizard slot length from center to center?

I am not finding anything for the hole wizard.

 

but for a normal sketched feature you can change it.

 

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By: Anton Miller  Fri, 15 Apr 2016 13:45:14 GMT
Re: Hole Wizard slot length from center to center?

UP

 

I have the same question!

 

It would be very useful

By: Manuel Campos Costa  Fri, 16 Dec 2016 12:04:39 GMT
Re: Hole Wizard slot length from center to center?

I actually created a Top 10 item for this... You could vote!

 

Provide Option for Defining Slot Length Center-to-Center 

 

The short answer is NO, hole wizard slot defaults do not have the same options as sketch slots.

 

Daen

By: Daen Hendrickson  Fri, 16 Dec 2016 18:39:38 GMT
Re: Hole Wizard slot length from center to center?

This problem led to a bad set of parts for us.  Hole Callout for one of these slots shows the same end-to-end dimension.  The machinist assumed it was a center-to-center dimension.  We thought it was the machinist's fault until he questioned numbers not adding up, so that relationship is strained.  Even with the machinist pushing this to the front of the queue we're about to miss a ship date waiting for this part.  I now need to go through all our parts to look for any other slots that may have this problem so I can manually type in dimensions on the drawings.

 

This definitely needs to be fixed.

By: Sam Bailey  Thu, 23 Mar 2017 19:09:05 GMT
Re: Hole Wizard slot length from center to center?

We have ditched the slot feature in Hole Wizard. We have resorted to using the slot sketch in a hole cutout and dimensioning radius to radius.

It's amazing the number of feature in SW that are rendered useless due to silly things.

By: Grant Kirkland  Fri, 24 Mar 2017 14:24:38 GMT
Re: Hole Wizard slot length from center to center?

Same issue here. We dimension using center to center as that is the slots "usable" distance. I've also had to revert to using the sketch slot in an extruded cut instead of the hole wizard for this reason. Pls fix!

By: Jimmy Skobyak  Wed, 31 May 2017 15:01:14 GMT
Re: Hole Wizard slot length from center to center?

Grant Kirkland wrote:

 

We have ditched the slot feature in Hole Wizard. We have resorted to using the slot sketch in a hole cutout and dimensioning radius to radius.

It's amazing the number of feature in SW that are rendered useless due to silly things.

Unfortunately ditto.  We have instructed our users not to use it as well.  Seems like a simple thing to add...

By: Bill Stadler  Fri, 02 Jun 2017 20:13:28 GMT
Re: Hole Wizard slot length from center to center?

This gets my +1 +10 +100 +a million.

I wish I could add myself to an SPR or whatever for this.

Link above Provide Option for Defining Slot Length Center-to-Center goes nowhere for me

Who in their right mind decided it was a good idea to have one option of end to end, rather than center to center? Not an engineer.
We know the size of the fastener and we know the range of movement that is needed.

The slot end to end (tangent) length is a function of the slot clearance, and for that clearance we can pick tight, normal or lose and not bother with what actual value it is - except that value affects the important range of movement for the fastener.

We change the fit of the slot and it changes the range of movement for the fastener! That is wrong! That is not anybody's design intent!

Virtually nobody wants the end to end measurement at the design stage. Some small number of people might want to have that dimension on the detail drawing but almost exactly 100% of people want the center to center dimension available.

The hole wizard slot definition is wrong.

We see reports above of it costing $$$$  in scrap parts.

It is a bug!

Put it right NOW before it costs your users more cash!!!

By: Gordon Rigg  Tue, 17 Apr 2018 09:11:07 GMT
Re: Hole Wizard slot length from center to center?

Any update on this?  I have gotten 2 calls from machine shop for confusion about slot callouts.

By: M. D.  Wed, 16 May 2018 22:34:18 GMT
Re: Hole Wizard slot length from center to center?

Maybe SW2019...

By: Solid Air  Thu, 17 May 2018 00:30:47 GMT
Re: Hole Wizard slot length from center to center?

SPR #:

726691

Product:

SolidWorks

Status:

Closed (Implemented)

Fixed in:

2014 SP05

Area:

Parts

Sub-Area:

Feature - Hole Wizard

Customer Impact:

Medium

Enhancement:

No

Summary:

 

Hole Wizard Slots do not meet standards - Length should be from center to center, not end to end.

 

Technical  
  Comments:

 

DS SolidWorks does not guarantee that this SPR fix will be available in the indicated future release of the
product since at this time the SPR fix has not completed QA procedures that incorporate all SPR fixes and
enhancements into a new version of our product.

Why are solidworks publishing this "alternative truth" about this being implemented in 2014 SP05?

anyone listening? SOLIDWORKS

Are your pants on fire?!!!

By: Gordon Rigg  Thu, 17 May 2018 12:48:01 GMT
Re: Hole Wizard slot length from center to center?
By: Solid Air  Fri, 18 May 2018 01:20:22 GMT
Re: Hole Wizard slot length from center to center?

SPR #:

902703

Product:

SolidWorks

Status:

Open

Fixed in:

none none

Area:

Parts

Sub-Area:

Feature - Hole Wizard

Customer Impact:

Medium

Enhancement:

No

Summary:

 

F.O. SPR 726691 Hole Wizard Slots do not meet standards, to maintain consistency with sketch slot while placing dimensions for slot length.

 

Technical  
  Comments:

 

DS SolidWorks does not guarantee that this SPR fix will be available in the indicated future release of the
product since at this time the SPR fix has not completed QA procedures that incorporate all SPR fixes and
enhancements into a new version of our product.

Just mark one as completed and create another identical one, makes it look like someone is doing some work, and throws everyone of the scent!

By: Gordon Rigg  Fri, 18 May 2018 07:57:57 GMT
Re: Hole Wizard slot length from center to center?

Grant Kirkland wrote:

 

We have ditched the slot feature in Hole Wizard. We have resorted to using the slot sketch in a hole cutout and dimensioning radius to radius.

It's amazing the number of feature in SW that are rendered useless due to silly things.

 

I can understand your frustration with not being able to customize the Hole Wizard callout, but if you're applying dimensions anyway then why not use the Hole Wizard feature to create the slots?

By: Glenn Schroeder  Mon, 21 May 2018 12:12:11 GMT
Re: Hole Wizard slot length from center to center?
  • Of course! Just get out your calculator and calculate the dimensions hole wizard slot requires rather than the dimensions you know and want....bearing in mind its a different calculation depending on the fastener size and the clearance selected...
  • Why not create a global variable for the "real" slot length (the distance a fastener can move in the slot) and then use formulae to drive the hole wizard slot to make it the right size?
  • Why not write a macro where you enter the slot size you want and it drives the hole wizard slot in a way that bypasses the inadequacies of hole wizard slot dimensioning?

Because we already have the slot sketch tool that works correctly and its much easier and it is simpler to use that, rather than the badly written hole wizard slot tool that has been so obviously wrong since it was introduced!

 

By: Gordon Rigg  Mon, 21 May 2018 12:33:15 GMT
Re: Hole Wizard slot length from center to center?

Gordon Rigg wrote:

 

  • Of course! Just get out your calculator and calculate the dimensions hole wizard slot requires rather than the dimensions you know and want....bearing in mind its a different calculation depending on the fastener size and the clearance selected...
  • Why not create a global variable for the "real" slot length (the distance a fastener can move in the slot) and then use formulae to drive the hole wizard slot to make it the right size?
  • Why not write a macro where you enter the slot size you want and it drives the hole wizard slot in a way that bypasses the inadequacies of hole wizard slot dimensioning?

Because we already have the slot sketch tool that works correctly and its much easier and it is simpler to use that, rather than the badly written hole wizard slot tool that has been so obviously wrong since it was introduced!

 

 

Okay, that makes sense.  I wasn't thinking about the issues with creating the slots.

By: Glenn Schroeder  Mon, 21 May 2018 12:42:40 GMT
Re: Hole Wizard slot length from center to center?

Grodon

 

I agree that slots should be specified center-to-center. I hope it gets changed.

 

This thread reminds me that I often use Hole Wizard to create a pattern of bolt holes, and then I add a cut feature to modify it. I cut slots to replace some of the holes, or I make some holes oversize. In the sketch for the cut feature, I use relationships for the slot width (not the length), so if the fastener size changes, the slots change as well. It is all a bit kludgey, but at least I have the original hole pattern to populate the assembly. That's a feature of Hole Wizard I don't want to give up.

 

Dwight

By: Dwight Livingston  Mon, 21 May 2018 15:07:32 GMT
Re: Hole Wizard slot length from center to center?

Dwight Livingston wrote:

 

Grodon

 

I agree that slots should be specified center-to-center. I hope it gets changed.

 

This thread reminds me that I often use Hole Wizard to create a pattern of bolt holes, and then I add a cut feature to modify it. I cut slots to replace some of the holes, or I make some holes oversize. In the sketch for the cut feature, I use relationships for the slot width (not the length), so if the fastener size changes, the slots change as well. It is all a bit kludgey, but at least I have the original hole pattern to populate the assembly. That's a feature of Hole Wizard I don't want to give up.

 

Dwight

 

Dwight,

 

I have no problem with it being changed, but if they do I sincerely hope we get the option to define it either way, like we currently do with the slot sketch feature.  In the industry I work in slots are always called out by the total length, not center-to-center, so the way the Hole Wizard operates now is perfect for me.

By: Glenn Schroeder  Mon, 21 May 2018 15:20:19 GMT
Re: Hole Wizard slot length from center to center?

Glenn Schroeder wrote:


I have no problem with it being changed, but if they do I sincerely hope we get the option to define it either way, like we currently do with the slot sketch feature. In the industry I work in slots are always called out by the total length, not center-to-center, so the way the Hole Wizard operates now is perfect for me.

Glenn

 

Fair enough.

 

Dwight

By: Dwight Livingston  Mon, 21 May 2018 15:57:52 GMT
Re: Hole Wizard slot length from center to center?

Yes of course, both options should be available, like they are in the slot sketch tool.
The point is that at the design stage you usually want the centre to centre. That is what you need for the design intent...
The detail drawing can call the end to end, as that is what can be easily measured for inspection.
The model definition and how the feature is defined on the detail drawing do not need to be the same thing.

By: Gordon Rigg  Tue, 05 Jun 2018 14:42:53 GMT
Re: Hole Wizard slot length from center to center?

Everyone should contact their VAR requesting this fix. If there's enough requests SolidWorks will have to deal with it right?

By: Trevor Burton  Fri, 06 Jul 2018 22:41:30 GMT
Re: Hole Wizard slot length from center to center?

Theoretically, Yes

By: Solid Air  Fri, 06 Jul 2018 23:59:52 GMT
Re: Hole Wizard slot length from center to center?

There is actually 2 open now:

 

SPR #:

862375

Product:

SolidWorks

Status:

Open

Fixed in:

none none

Area:

Parts

Sub-Area:

Feature - Hole Wizard

Customer Impact:

Medium

Enhancement:

Ability to define 'Slot length' for slot in hole wizard with center to center distance instead of overall length i.e. end to end of arc.

Summary:

 

Technical  
  Comments:

By: Trevor Burton  Mon, 09 Jul 2018 17:24:26 GMT
Re: Hole Wizard slot length from center to center?

If only it was cheaper to have any solidworks fault created scrap metal delivered to their door. When they can't get through the door anymore perhaps they will fix such things...

By: Gordon Rigg  Tue, 24 Jul 2018 07:11:54 GMT
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