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Hello

 

I'd like to save a part as a copy (or something similar), but leaving it linked to the original part

 

In this scenario, if I modify the original part, the copy would get modified too (even if it breaks any changes on the copy)

And if I modify the copied part, the original stays unchanged

 

Something like the "mirror part" tool (without mirroring)

 

 

Is there how ?


Categories: Modeling and Assemblies, Parts and Features

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Last comment By: Alex Lachance   Thu, 12 Oct 2017 20:40:04 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

Almost

It doesn't let me modify the features of that inserted part.

 

I'll need another solution

 

 

By: Lucas Silva  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:33:18 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

It will let you modify the original part and those changes will be reflected in the derived instance in the new part.

By: Bjorn Hulman  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:37:19 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

To modify the inserted part, you have to open it ("Edit in Context" - see below image") , you can't modify the parent inserted part directly

By: Christian Chu  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:40:31 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

True

True

 

If fulfills what I asked.

 

Thank you, by the way

 

Now, I made the mistake of not explaining that the editing abilities of this new part are important

 

I need to be able to edit the features of this part, without messing with the original

(the contrary is not forbidden: the original messing with the copy)

 

Is this possible ?

By: Lucas Silva  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:43:25 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

When you create the derived part there is a check box which will break the link. If you do this it brings through the feature tree.

By: Bjorn Hulman  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:45:02 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

Thank you, Christian

 

Now, I made the mistake of not explaining that the editing abilities of this new part are important

 

I need to be able to edit the features of this part, without messing with the original

(the contrary is not forbidden: the original messing with the copy)

 

Is this possible ?

By: Lucas Silva  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:46:08 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

Have you considered making a configuration and derived configuration? May be easier than managing two part files.

By: Steven Mills  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:47:33 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

I think this is more likely the solution to this particular problem.

By: Bjorn Hulman  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:51:40 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original
I need to be able to edit the features of this part, without messing with the original

I'm kind of confused what you want to do here. You first want to leave the original part alone, now you want to mess with it?

If you really want to do it, why don't you "save as copy" the original part to a new part and mess around with it?

By: Christian Chu  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:52:25 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

Later on, I might mess with the original file (very probably will, actually). And this change MUST reflect on the child part

 

If they're unlinked, the mother part will change and the child part will be out of date

 

Same thing would happen for a save as copy part: they'd be completely independent

 

The contrary cannot happen: changes on the child part reflecting on the mother part

By: Lucas Silva  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 16:47:31 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

Can you tell us exactly what you want to achieve?

Your approach seems to change for each response?

By: Christian Chu  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:02:24 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

Some specific questions to help all of us;

 

Do you want the child part to EXACTLY match the parent part? If so, why are you trying to make two parts in the first place? Different custom properties or something not related to the geometry of the part I am assuming.

 

Or do you want the child part to match the parent part, except for some additional features? I should warn you, this is dangerous as changes in the parent part can break the child part as the geometry it is built on shifts and changes. It is a bit of an art to do this without it becoming a red mess of a feature tree, and whoever is editing the parent part may never know about the problem until the child part is updated later.

By: Steven Mills  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:19:28 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

What you are wanting...you cannot have.

By: Doug Seibel  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:25:42 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

Or do you want the child part to match the parent part, except for some additional features?"

Yes!

You got it right there

 

The possibility of breaking the child part is not a problem (it will probably happen, actually)

By: Lucas Silva  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:26:54 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

Basic father and child construction... There's an hierarchy: Any changes in the father part reflect on the child part. Changes on the child part do not reflect on the father part

 

Detailed:

 

Part A has it's features

I copy Part A and rename this new one to Part B

I change Part B as necessary. Nothing happens to Part A

I change Part A, therefore, Part B must change too

By: Lucas Silva  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:24:49 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

Do this

1) create a new part B (child)

2) Insert part A (Parent) into part B

whatever change in part A will show on part B and whatever you add to part A will not show on part B

is this what you want? then use Insert > Part feature

By: Christian Chu  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:32:11 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

Lucas Silva, your previous answers have made it appear to me that you also what to be able to change features in the child that are driven by the parent, without changing the parent.

By: Doug Seibel  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:37:01 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

Ok. Well then the in-context part from above should work for you then. Just never use the 'edit in context' from Part B as you called it. From that you can create features based on the imported part however you want without affecting the original part.

 

By: Steven Mills  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:38:28 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

If you are worried about someone doing an "Edit In Context" from Part B later, then we need to talk about locking down files as read only, or only editable by you.

By: Steven Mills  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:44:50 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

Correct!

 

Change the child features (or eliminating them altogether), without reflecting on the father part

 

No problem if the parent file recreate the feature later on

By: Lucas Silva  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:47:22 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

I'd use "Block" instead of "Break" since you can "unblock" later on but you can't "unbreak", this feature doesn't exist

By: Christian Chu  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:52:10 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

 

Such approach does not allow me to edit the features that created the part

By: Lucas Silva  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 18:07:24 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

What you want...you cannot have.

By: Doug Seibel  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 18:09:51 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original
Such approach does not allow me to edit the features that created the part

what part you're talking here? child or parent part?

By: Christian Chu  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 18:10:39 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

That's almost what I need

 

But the problem is: on derived part I cannot edit the features that created it. I can only add new ones

 

 

Unlike "Configurations". Which I'm studying right now to see if fits

 

 

Security of the files is not an issue

By: Lucas Silva  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 18:11:48 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

Doug Seibel wrote:

 

In the child part Lucas Silva wants the ability to not only add new features, but to also change or even delete...in the child part...the features that are created by and driven by the parent part.

Thanks, Doug

If this is what you want, then I don't think it would be done !!!

By: Christian Chu  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 18:20:49 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

The child part.

 

Let me clear a confusion:

 

When I copy a SLDPRT, I copy all the features in it. Then, I am free to edit the features of the copied part

 

But on a derived part, I cannot do that. It copies the features, but blocks me from editing them.

(If I "Edit in context", it will alter both the father part and the child part, not only the child - changing only the child is the objective)

By: Lucas Silva  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 18:21:25 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

In the child part Lucas Silva wants the ability to not only add new features, but to also change or even delete...in the child part...the features that are created by and driven by the parent part.  Yet also have so that if any changes are made to the parent, those changes show up in the child...potentially undoing everything that was previously done to the child.

By: Doug Seibel  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 18:16:47 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

 

 

The general struggle on the topic points that you might be right

By: Lucas Silva  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 18:25:24 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

I'd like to save a part as a copy (or something similar), but leaving it linked to the original part

 

In this scenario, if I modify the original part, the copy would get modified too (even if it breaks any changes on the copy)

 

Something like the "mirror part" tool (without mirroring)

What you asked here can be done with insert > part feature

Now you're asking to modify the parent from the child part, then this won't work with this feature - simply making a another copy and work on it

By: Christian Chu  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 18:29:00 GMT
Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

Hello

 

I'd like to save a part as a copy (or something similar), but leaving it linked to the original part

 

In this scenario, if I modify the original part, the copy would get modified too (even if it breaks any changes on the copy)

And if I modify the copied part, the original stays unchanged

 

Something like the "mirror part" tool (without mirroring)

 

 

Is there how ?

By: Lucas Silva  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:07:39 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

And that is the frustration, you want to edit/change Part A, but not actually edit/change Part A. Derived part feature that you can add things to is the closest you can get to that.

By: Steven Mills  Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:27:39 GMT
Re: Save a copy of a part, linked to the original

Why don't you simply use mirror parts?

 

Insert>Mirror part

 

You can have it have a live link to the referenced part or you can break the link before the creation of the part just so that it becomes the mirror part with all the functions you need. You'll see it does a ''Move/copy body'' function but it's a function hidden inside a function so there's no way you'll be able to recreate the same thing without doing the same steps.

 

Sorry, my SolidWorks is in french but that should give you an idea, still.

 

By: Alex Lachance  Thu, 12 Oct 2017 20:40:04 GMT
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